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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Oct 23, 2008 12:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McCain for socialist of the year!

Wikipedia is the word of god? Please it's the standard definition, trying to change the meanings of words is a bit strong of a tactic to prove a point!

I CAN categorize ANYTHING ANYWAY that I choose, we still have the constitution.

Oh darn, the opening lines from wikipedia:

Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society.

Why we would want a society that benefits eagles is beyond me. Ask steve winwood if his taxes are going up? What about grape ape and courageous cat?

You are losing it, and I don't mean just this argument. You are reaching for straws made of pixie dust and the debri is clouding your judgment.

More wisdom from wiki:

Socialism is not a discrete philosophy of fixed doctrine and program; its branches advocate a degree of social interventionism and economic rationalization, sometimes opposing each other.

Social democrats propose selective nationalization of key national industries in mixed economies combined with tax-funded welfare programs

Economically, socialism denotes an economic system of state ownership and / or worker ownership of the means of production and distribution.

This is from the churchill that did not call the dead on 9/11 "little eichmans"

. . a socialist policy is abhorrent to the British ideas of freedom. Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the object worship of the state. It will prescribe for every one where they are to work, what they are to work at, where they may go and what they may say. Socialism is an attack on the right to breathe freely. No socialist system can be established without a political police. They would have to fall back on some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first instance.

Thanks for referring me to even better sources to support my argument!

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Poster: spacedface Date: Oct 23, 2008 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McCain for socialist of the year!

Quoting Winston Churchill is one of the last refuges of scoundrels. I forgot the context of this; maybe it was during tea overlooking the slaughter of the Sudanese:

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."

And you've addressed nothing of the possibility of having a truly free market or that any form of government is really socialism.

Sometimes you right wingers seem as naive, or is it manipulative, as the Marxists.

This post was modified by spacedface on 2008-10-23 19:42:56